Things were rather slanted. Your Templars were going to willingly massacre children en masse; not just some mages unleashing demons, but all templars killing all mages. Of course people would side with mages. Same with this - of course people will side with even a whiny and responsibility-hating Alistair. He's still a better man by far compared to Loghain. If it's the dark ritual near the end of the game before the Archdemon, then if you have Morrigan in your party and your character is a male, then there is that option, or convincing another male party member to help Morrigan with her 'plan' in case your character is a female.
I never spare Loghain. He either allowed Howe to slaughter my family if noble human , left the King and Grey Wardens to die or sends assassins to kill me and lying about the Grey Wardens. The thing about understanding Loghain is he is obstinate to the point of not listening to reason, therefore a terrible commander. I tend to disagree that Loghains actions were understandable. Only to him were the Orlesians trying to get back into Fereldan, no where did that hypothesis present itself in the game.
He was paranoid and used that fear to justify corrupt and immoral behavoir i. Plus there was no good tactical reason not to join the battle. Splitting your army to engage the enemy in a frontal holding engagement, even with less numbers, while waiting for an outflanking force to strike is a tried and true, if risky, tactic.
But will tend to produce tremendous results for the outflanking force when successful. As for Zevran, I've killed him and let me live depending on the mood. I've never done anything that would cause someone to leave the party, though.
Last edited by damesh2 ; 11 Jul, pm. Given Orlesian politics, this would have effectively made Ferelden part of the Orlesian Empire once again they had no peaceful intentions, even if Empress Celene herself did. Ferelden would become a vassel - something they fought a war to prevent. In that, it is utterly understandable to not allow Orlesian forces into Ferelden for any reason - at least until an Archdemon shows its face.
Play Return to Ostagar and pay attention to it. He wanted to make sure this was an actual Blight, keep the King out of harm's way, and then solidify forces to deal with the problem. But what happened? Caelin rushed in. You know what would have happened if Loghain sent his forces in? They really would have lost. That was the point of the Ostagar events.
The forces they brought to Ostagar would not have been enough to face this horde, and they either should have held back to bring more forces, or waited for Orlesians. So we have both Orlesians and Grey Wardens trying to control Ferelden for their own reasons. Hell yes he isn't going to totally take a Grey Warden for their word. Yes, it is ironic. He's not a good guy. I didn't say his actions were respectable.
You can understand an action without approving of it, and even while being disgusted by it. Now, he's wrong about pretty much everything. Orleas would have probably given Ferelden a more hands-off approach. You can control the resolution by decisions made before the vote and dialogue choices you make after defeating Loghain in the one-on-one duel. However, some options will be unavailable for some Wardens based on their origin. After defeating Loghain, you must decide whether to accept his surrender or kill him.
If anyone except Alistair fights Loghain in the duel, Riordan will show up at the conclusion and offer a third option, to induct the former regent into the Grey Wardens. This is the critical branching point for the remaining dialogue. Naturally, Anora and Alistair both have strong opinions on the topic.
If Alistair duels Loghain as the Warden's champion, he will execute him before Riordan has a chance to intervene. Anora utterly refuses to marry her father's killer. If you choose to induct Loghain into the Grey Wardens, the party will permanently lose Alistair. He will either renounce his royal claim and disappear, begin immediate preparations to rule jointly with Anora if a political marriage was arranged at Eamon's Estate, or be executed at Anora's order.
With Loghain's death, perhaps some justice is served for the loss of Cailan and Duncan. If you want Anora and Alistair to rule together, you must execute Loghain yourself; if a male Cousland Warden is angling for Prince Consort, he must have Alistair execute Loghain.
This is a list of all outcomes of the Landsmeet, covering royal succession and Loghain's life. To avoid ambiguity, it includes permutations that are not possible no matter what choices are made.
These outcomes can be achieved regardless of the Warden's race, gender or origin. At that point in the game i had Duncan's mindset and make the tough decisions to fight the dark spawn. Inside each of us,there is the seed of both good and evil. It's a constant struggle as to which one will win. And one cannot exist without the other-Eric Burdon.
User Info: Angrywolves. How is sparing Loghain for the "greater good". Loghain betrayed his king, conspired with Howe who killed the Couslands.
Abided slavery. Tried to poison Arl Eamon. So sparing Loghain is for the greater good? If you like Loghain that is fine and it's ok if you wanted to keep him and get rid of Allistair. But you don't need any excuse for that. It's your choice and you can play your games as you see fit.
Not deriding your choice. It is your choice. But I don't agree with the greater good statement. I just don't see that is the case. It is entirely a matter of choice for you, for fear factor and for the other Loghain fans. Loghain didn't conspire to help kill the Couslands, maybe he knew I don't think so but maybe. But he definitely wasn't a co conspirators, that woulda been a large plot point for a noble human warden, and not making it explicit would have been an all time story fumble.
That said I think his point was more like sparing Loghain helps him fight the blight easier, not rocking the boat or alienating his loyal bannermen, vs Loghain's action had the greater good in mind. I think the later is highly ambiguous, the first one is less so. From a strictly pragmatic point of view bringing powerful vanquished foes into the fold, either via recruitment or imprisonment.
Was incredibly popular and useful during feudal times. That doesn't make it a good action though right. I think that was part of the point of a lot of those decisions. Like the dwarf stuff. The jerk guy is going to lead to the dwarves being in a better place.
But the jerk guy is an evil jerk and not killing him is a failure of justice. Hard choices and all. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site.
User Info: Homogenius. Once I got to do a plathrough knowing I could get him, I was sure I would spare him and have him redeem himself by slaying the Archdemon.
However as I played and thought about it and knew of DA:I coming I realized it would make a much more fitting story if he was the baby daddy as I'm sure that child is going to be a problem and his evilness would be awkward coming from the fruit of jovial Allistar and Her Sweetness Morrigan.
I think he means that Loghain will be useful Angry. Will the wardens get some use out of a war hero? Unquestionably yes, even though we don't see much of his tactical prowess in game. Is it for the greater good?
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